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CG Gohan vs Boo Saga Goku; 2 Gohans
Topic Started: Dec 13 2013, 07:01 PM (1,352 Views)
lunar2 Dec 14 2013, 10:47 PM Post #16
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 now that wasn't training, was it? and the first one isn't a particularly good example of teamwork. they each took on their own separate opponent, and killed them separately.
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+ Solid Snake Dec 14 2013, 10:49 PM Post #17
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Kingsley
Dec 14 2013, 05:05 AM
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Dec 14 2013, 02:55 AM
Gohan was freshly trained by Goku. His skill level should be in peak condition.
In mastering SSJ mostly 80%, and the rest was physical training since Piccolo already covered that.
Mastering SSJ is done at the same time as other training. Gohan masters SSJ while he does physical training.
I didn't say he wasn't trained physically but that they both put more effort into mastering the SSJ transformation, Gohan was practically trained by Piccolo so the best thing Goku could manage with him is Push-Ups and stuff.

80% on Mastering SSJ

10% on Physical activities

10% on combat and possibly mental training (though this could fit in the Mastering SSJ bar).
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lunar2 Dec 14 2013, 10:57 PM Post #18
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 what you're not getting is there is no training to master ssj. to master ssj, you just spend long periods of time as an ssj. there's nothing special to it. so mastering ssj is happening at the same time as all the training, not taking up its own time slot.
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SSJ Dec 14 2013, 11:04 PM Post #19
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 Mastering SSJ is basically just learning how to live with it. That doesn't mean that you need to stop everything you are doing while mastering it, you can still do whatever else you want. The goal is to become comfortable in the form, meaning you also need to be comfortable in a battle scenario.
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DSTREET45 Dec 14 2013, 11:59 PM Post #20
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lunar2
Dec 14 2013, 10:47 PM
now that wasn't training, was it? and the first one isn't a particularly good example of teamwork. they each took on their own separate opponent, and killed them separately.
1.Who cares if it was training or not? Gohan still worked as a part of a team. Besides when was the last time Goku or the others had teamwork training?

.2.Teamwork is defined as cooperative effort done by a gruop or team to acheive a common goal. The common goal in the first case is to take down Frieza's goons. Besides they were completely synchronized how does that added together not equate to teamwork?
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lunar2 Dec 15 2013, 12:08 AM Post #21
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 1. because i said gohan wasn't trained for teamwork, and you tried to use non training incident to refute that.

2. simply because a group of people are doing the same thing doesn't mean they are working as a team. to be teamwork, they have to actually be helping each other, which gohan and krillin were not doing. they just happened to pick the same attack style for the same situation, which makes sense since they'd just spent a month training with each other. they were still acting separately, pursuing separate goals.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Muyasuki Dec 15 2013, 12:27 AM Post #22
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 Buu Saga Goku is only marginally stronger than Cell Games Gohan. That alone should imply that Goku wins a fight against Gohan with high difficulty.

Add a second Gohan...he (Goku) loses...and he loses badly.
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lunar2 Dec 15 2013, 12:55 AM Post #23
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 nowhere is it stated that goku is only marginally stronger though. that's an assumption based on piccolo's faulty ability to tell the difference between powers greater than himself.

while goku certainly couldn't be, say, double cg gohan, he could be significantly more powerful, say, 30% or so. with that kind of gap, it wouldn't matter if there are two gohans, because goku can one shot each of them. in fact, with as little as a 5% gap, goku can pull off a win if his skill outpaces gohan's enough.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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DSTREET45 Dec 15 2013, 07:16 AM Post #24
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Dec 15 2013, 12:08 AM
1. because i said gohan wasn't trained for teamwork, and you tried to use non training incident to refute that.

2. simply because a group of people are doing the same thing doesn't mean they are working as a team. to be teamwork, they have to actually be helping each other, which gohan and krillin were not doing. they just happened to pick the same attack style for the same situation, which makes sense since they'd just spent a month training with each other. they were still acting separately, pursuing separate goals.
1. Again who cares? The whole point of the arguments against Gohan beating Goku is based on the assumption that he never had experience teaming up with someone. I never said that I was going to refute your claim and show evidence of Gohan doing teamwork training. Besides why would you want that in the first place? In order for Gohan to beat Goku he needs to team up with himself in this battle. So showing that he could do so in an actual battle negates the notion that he would lose due to lack of knowledge of working as a team. Why you'd want evidence of him doing so specifically in training instead of conceding that he has experience working as a team is beyond me and completely pointless.

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simply because a group of people are doing the same thing doesn't mean they are working as a team.

You literally defined teamwork in that very sentence. The whole point is to reach a common goal i.e. taking out Frieza's goons. Gohan needs to take one out so Krillin could be free to take out the other, which is, in a way, helping each other. I mean seriously what other goal does Gohan have in mind at the moment?

The way you're describing teamwork is the cliched version where people focus together on one thing. Teamwork isn't that simple. Take a football team for example. Each man has to do something completely different in order for his team to score. Running backs run, receivers catch, linemen block coaches coach etc. They all do different things separately yet they are still considered a team. Why is that? Because by doing separate things they are helping each other. The linemen protect the quarterback, the receivers and running backs help advance the ball and the coaches give the players a sense of direction and puts the plays together resulting in the common goal, scoring/winning, being met. Hence why some coaches compare a team to the gears of a running clock, by doing their own thing they make the clock run.

Or, to be more on point, a two on two basketball match. Each person defends a man of his own to stop the other pair from scoring. That's considered teamwork since they have a common goal. Imagine if they both focused on the same guy leaving the other guy open to score.

In short sometimes working cooperatively means working on a different parts so the team could work more efficiently.
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+ Majin Vegeta Dec 15 2013, 10:56 AM Post #25
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Dec 13 2013, 07:01 PM
2 CG SSJ2 Gohan's vs. Boo Saga SSJ2 Goku
I think that Gohan is close enough to Boo Saga Goku, that he'd be able to pull out a win if there were two of him
The gap bettwen Gohan and Goku is barely notiable I have it at 1.1x times,it wa stated before that even if you have a difference of 1.2x times it can be overcomes by the two fighera(Vegetas case on Namek,Frieza said if Zarbon and Dodoria team up they could beat him)so I think the Gohan's would beat Goku
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